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Donald Trump actually is a pretty big-government conservative. He doesn't see eye-to-eye with them [the Kochs] on trade.
Jane Mayer
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Jane Mayer
Age: 69
Born: 1955
Born: January 1
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New York City
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Jane Meredith Mayer
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